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Sunday, October 26, 2008

Immorality and Substances.

 

I've been struggling with what is acceptable and what is not a lot lately. Specifically when it comes to habits we humans have developed, like drinking, smoking, etc. I can't come to terms with these things whatsoever. For so long, up until about last year, I was one of those kids who saw my parents drinking and smoking and was absolutely disgusted by it. I swore I would never do that, and my heart would literally break in two everytime one of my friends would post pictures of themselves wasted on myspace. (Which is ALWAYS a trashy, shady thing to do, no matter how you feel about these things. Just in case you weren't aware. I'll get off my pedestal now.) Anyways, over the past year or so, I've gained perspective on a lot of things, and have become a more accepting person all around. I accept different lifestyles and opinions and beliefs more than I ever did. Thankfully, I didn't loose many of my core values through this process, and still live for God.

I have been experimenting with certain things though. I've smoked cigarettes or Black and Milds or something of the sort on several occasions, and have drank a bit here and there. This weekend my friend Maddie is having a big party with her brother, and I'm going. When I'm actually doing whatever I'm doing, I see nothing wrong with it, and don't feel guilty at all. It's when I'm contemplating things later on that I start questioning.

First of all, whenever I do these things it's usually premeditated. I know it's going to happen before it does, but I don't try to stop it. So much of me is curious about the world and things that most people do, and I actually enjoy it, you know? But I can't help wondering if God approves. Especially if I plan out what I'm doing...isn't that even worse than just doing something spur of the moment? Gah.

Secondly, I'm pretty positive God wants me to follow the law. But wouldn't going a little bit over the speed limit be the same thing as drinking in God's eyes? Or not? How can I be sure of what he would want me to do in this situation if he doesn't tell me straight out?

Also, I wonder about WHY people drink or smoke in the first place. Sure, drinking and getting drunk or getting high can be fun. But honestly, why can't we find other alternatives to fun? I'm not saying I don't enjoy these things like a lot of people do, I just don't understand why it was ever invented in the first place. Also, why is smoking things that have no effect on you EVER fun? Why do people do it?

Anyways, I really just want consolation and advice. I know that I'm not acting under peer pressure, because I take full responsibility for all of my decisions. I've always been the one to initiate anything I've done. I just don't know the level of immorality I'm partaking in, and it would be nice to hear some other opinions, Christian or non.  

I want to be a good influence and show God's grace and love no matter where I'm at in my life. I just don't know the limits of what wordly things I can be doing while also being a good Christian.

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drinking is NOT a sin. Jesus drank wine. the sin is getting drunk.
"When you follow the desires of your sinful nature, the results are very clear: sexual immorality, impurity, lustful pleasures, idolatry, sorcery, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, division, envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other sins like these. Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God." - Galatians 5:19-21
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"Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit." - Ephesians 5:18
Posted 10/26/2008 5:00 PM by MrMustardIsMyName - reply

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I've been struggling with these issues as well. I have a handle of vodka stashed in my room...and on some days, it kind of haunts me. I wouldn't look to laws to obey God's word, I would look at the Bible as the final word.
Posted 10/26/2008 6:59 PM by longdistanceletters - reply

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II wish you well with your worthy goal of living a good life while thinking about God. You are already on the right road. Just think and do what you thing.
Posted 10/26/2008 8:16 PM by online now ANVRSADDAY Xanga True Member Xanga Premium Member - reply

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I have gone through those same issues myself. I do drink and I have gotten drunk before. I do feel guilty when I do it. I have smoked before. I will smoke a cigar every once in a while. However I do these things in part to socialize with my fellow Christians and to interact with non-Christians (however it doesn't work very well when you move past buzzed to drunk). I think the key is moderation. Beer and tobacco are not bad in and of themselves but if they are used to excess then it can be problematic. David danced in the rain while he was drunk on wine. However he never became an alcoholic either. That is where the problem lies. If it starts to come between you and God then you need to back away. However if you drink and smoke in moderation then its not a sin. However, if you pray about it and you are convicted to not drink or smoke then don't do it. However if it is not getting in the way of your relationship with God then there isn't much of a problem. It sounds like, just from you having these concerns that you are concerned with the impact of this on your faith, so I don't think it will be a problem for you. Everyone needs to relax and have fun at times. There can sometimes be nothing better than a pint of beer, a cigar and a good conversation with your friends. Also, I have found that if you are willing to have a drink with a non-Christian then that will take away some of the polarization that might be there for them and it can help open up good dialogue with them about faith and Christ. That has been the case with me a few times. So I don't think it is a sin unless it gets between you and God or starts to hurt other people, but other then that don't be afraid to partake in it. Hope that helps. Glad there are some people out there that are concerned with how their actions are viewed by God.
Posted 10/26/2008 10:56 PM by the_earth_isnt_humming - reply

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I remember going through this thought process myself a few years ago. My opinion and advice is to try and concentrate on evaluating your decisions on these matters as objectively as possible, rather than subjectively. I would classify things like the guilt you feel as subjective. The more you learn about psychology, the more interesting it is how subjective feelings like this can be. How you are raised, your upbringing, and your culture play a significant role in certain actions that may or may not make you feel guilty (note that I am not trying to make a case for moral relativism, I actually believe in an objective moral system but I'd be going off on a long tangent if I started to start talking about certain elements that seem to have validity).

Even ignoring the subjectivity that the difference in upbringing, environment and culture brings, there seems to be universal quirks to how we as humans act that reveals a subjectivity to how we can act based on feelings. Take for instance the power of reciprocity. Robert Cialdini, a well-known social psychologist, did a great amount of research into the psychology behind salesmanship and discovered the human natural tendency for reciprocity can be very powerful, and is something that salesman and business actually use to their advantage. I'm getting a little off point here, but mainly the idea i'm trying to get across is trying to decide what you should or should not do based on "gut reactions" or "trying to follow your conscience," can lead you to consider actions, considered from a more objective perspective, that could actually be somewhat irrational or may even bring more negative results for you personally than positive.

So basically, when deciding to do something as drink or smoke, I am of the opinion that analyzing the action in terms of foreseeable benefits and consequences is a better way to go about than trying to rely on something that can less substantial and is more based solely on whether you feel "good" or "bad" about the action. Would having a drink in a small social gathering around your close friends where no one has to drive afterwords be a good or bad decision? I would tend to favor the answer of either good or more simply just neutral. If there are further issues of possible illegality and lying to parents is involved that adds to the equation, and you have to judge issues like that for yourself. There are plenty of varying issues and situations which need to be tried to be examined and decided on, some with less time to think on then others. But just keep in mind, the person that puts himself/herself in a very bad situation (drinking way to much and then having to drive afterwords, a girl drinking way to much with only guys she doesn't know so well around) got themselves there because they showed poor judgment (the ability to weigh the pro's and con's of one's actions/the situation accurately and appropriately act according to those results). I really don't view people like that as more "sinful" or ungodly, just either lacking the foresight or self-control to use wisdom to decide their actions.

Sorry for such a lengthy post, my original intent was to make one much shorter but I got caught up in expounding on what I was trying to say. (My perspective currently does not rely heavily on a biblical mindset, but I think it is possible to integrate most of what I said into a christian mindset. There are abundance of questions today that don't have a clear yes or no answer that can be found stated in scripture. Take the simple example of deciding to get a nose ring. A person wouldn't decide this issue based on the scripture of treating your body like the temple of God. A person would make this decision based on the pro's/con's. What are the benefits? What are some of the consequences? (whether they're fair or not, like certain groups of people, which you value their opinion, think less of you, etc).
Posted 10/27/2008 2:41 AM by whataboutbahb - reply

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A lot of people have answered so I don't want to repeat. But, the first one I vaguely read and it's true getting drunk is the sin. However, at the same time God does want us to follow the law. The law is you must be 21. It is an issue that is hard to decide whether or not it is right. Here's another thing, you say that you don't really see the point in getting drunk or high. So what is the point of you doing it? These aren't much but they are little things to think about. I can see by some of the other comments you have gotten some great advice of which I fully agree. I hope that things get clearer for you. Have a great week! Godbless!
Posted 10/27/2008 10:03 AM by divineobsession - reply

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I'll be honest with you.. I'm pretty sure God isnt going to deny us entrance into heaven because we broke a man made law.. emphasis on the man made.. Never in the bible does it say you must be twenty one to drink.. or eighteen to smoke.. As far as your moral issues.. It's really something you have to figure out on your own I think.. I mean take what the bible says and apply it to the situation.. which eliminates getting drunk.. after that you have to set your own limits for how much and how often.. dont freak out if you get a little carried away one night and end up wasted.. God is merciful.. and he will forgive you.. just dont make a habit of it.. ya know??
Posted 10/27/2008 3:18 PM by behindblueeyes2468 - reply

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Think honestly for one moment, i use to be christian, but Christianity is too much for me, i can't deal with it, with all the rules, right and wrong,
i grew up with a christian family, went to church, i even had good christian godly moments, i went to a christian high school
i use to think the way you thought
thinking that it was trashy that kids would put pictures of themselves all wasted and dancing slutty, and i hated seeing my friends parents smoke and even encourage drinking

now all my morals have changed, but i don't think that means they're wrong
where i came from since i use to live in government housing and the "ghetto", parents would just party along with us,
then i went into foster care, and i recently got kicked out of that house,
i moved back to "the ghetto" and i live with rough kids and gang members, and it doesn't scare me,
they get high and the drink all the time,
my friend, i dont think i have ever seen sober, and yeah we do take the trashy pictures because everyone else is doing it so how can it be bad? and it is our choice if we want to look trashy, you dont think we dont know we look like sluts and look trashy?
life doesnt matter anymore, since ive been hurt so much, so i stopped trying to live for god and make the world a better place, it makes sense to me since every time i tried to commit to god or become a better person i just ended up becoming screwed over in the end.
i do have values though, i love my family, i want to be someone in life, and i want to love someone, make a family, and i want my kids to grow up to be good people, i dont sleep around usually, im not a heavy drinking, i smoke only once in a while, and i think thats okay, because youre only having a good time for one night, its not like im dancing on tables every night and having sex with every guy, its not wrong to have a good time, and typical teenagers do usually party and taking it further than it needs to be, those are mistakes we learn from
partying, drinking, and smoking arent wrong if you dont over do it
i admit i have my problems, but i live for me, and that will include drinking, and smoking
Posted 10/27/2008 10:33 PM by SkinnyLittleLavina - reply

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i'm a christian, and i stay away from both of those things. but that is my own personal choice. i think drinking is a sin when you drink to get drunk. getting drunk is a sin, but what other reason is there to drink than to get drunk?

smoking i don't see as much of a big deal. i guess you could consider it a sin because of the law. i don't mind smoking, i just choose not to do it.
i just think drinking is wild and unsafe. i'm biased.
Posted 10/27/2008 11:30 PM by emifayesize - reply

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I can relate to you in a lot of ways when it comes to this topic. When I was only twelve years old, I started experimenting with drinking and smoking. It sounds very health class, but those things led me to pot, then harder drugs, and a lot of confusion in-between. I don't think I can say I ever had sex then, because it wasn't my choice to have it. It just kind of happened, and being in a commited relationship now, I wish I could get back what those people took from me- what I made possible for them to take.
I got clean when I met my now-boyfriend of three years. He was coming out of a dark time too, and he helped me to see the truth behind what I was doing. But there were a lot of times I fell back on my old ways when life got too hard.
Summer 2007 was a bad time for me. I drank on several occasions and it led to sexual situations that would have never come up if I could just put down the shot glass. It was always premeditated, and it excited me to know that I was going to get drunk and maybe smoke a little for free. I did this all in secret, from my friends and my boyfriend. And yes, it all came back to bite me in the ass. I lost my friends for over a year and my boyfriend's trust- which still has yet to come back fully.

What my message to you is, is that when you do something that you know is wrong you mark yourself for bad things to come. When they're addictive, it makes it even worse. The thrill of doing what you're not supposed to is always going to outweigh your devotion to God, no matter how devout you are. You need to remove yourself from this situation by telling your friends that you want to stay away from that whole scene. Let everyone know that you don't want to drink or smoke and they won't let you slip up.

The bottom line is that you KNOW what you're doing is wrong. Nothing justifies it as being okay for you and your standards. You need to get away from it now, or someday you could be me.

Posted 10/28/2008 12:21 AM by i_should_be_her - reply

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There is a reason why the wine ran out at the wedding of canaan. I promise you, the apostles imbibed in the wine, because weren't they the first one's to bug Jesus about needing MORE wine? As for drinking within the law, the drinking agr restrictions were an invention o f modern times.

Drinking is fine as long as its withing mdoeration. I honestly don't find anytihing moraly wrong with getting drunk out of my mind, but i still would never do it because of the consequences. Chief among those ending up totally stupid and incoherent and then having humiliating pictures to remind me of my stupidity. And then all the other things a person will do when drunk without realizing it.....

Its certainly an an interesting topic to think of and debate.
Posted 10/28/2008 2:00 AM by tenshii_rage Xanga True Member - reply

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I'm no Christian, but I'd think that God wouldn't approve of us pushing our limit or abusing things.

I started drinking just to get drunk. I had problems in my life, and it was a way for me to just laugh about things. To just feel like I had no problems and nothing could mess with me. A few years later I'd find out that drinking like that wouldn't keep me from getting hurt. Infact, it's the exact thing that hurt me the most in life. Plus, it just led to me cutting since after a while the drinks didn't help me anymore.

I smoked because I liked it. It was addicting. I didn't see how it would harm me if it made me smile a lot and if God put it on the planet as a plant it should be okay. Of course I still knew it was wrong for me to abuse it. I could have fun any other way. I could get with my friends, put some music on, and dance. But driving around and smoking and stealing things from stores and getting money for them just sounded better after a while. You don't really think you're going to become this bad person, but you get addicted to it...or at least I did.

I did these things because I was missing something in my life. I don't know the exact reason for everyone else, but when drinking didn't work it led to weight issues and cutting, and when those didn't work it led to smoking drugs. Now, I have a daughter that made me grow up and try to turn from my old ways.

Posted 10/28/2008 4:37 AM by forever_love_ends_now - reply

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Thanks for the comment.

I admire you for your thoughtful posts. While mine deal mostly with my preoccupations and frustrations at a given time, yours extend beyond a personal realm to convey a universal message. The unfaltering sense of hope in your posts is truly inspirational.

While I have not personally engaged in smoking or drinking, I have often pondered the reasons behind why people do. Thoughts like this have certainly been enlightening. Certainly, your curiosity is not a crime. In fact, a good balance may just lead to some epiphany with regards to the popular go-to comforts of today. Make sure to stay safe. If you ever discover the happy medium between satisfying your curiosity and staying safe, let me know.

Thanks again for the thought-provoking post.

Posted 10/28/2008 9:30 AM by online now xMORE2LIFEx - reply

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I stumbled across your site and I was interested. I don't know why you should care what I have to say but here goes nothing....

I'm a Christian. I've always been taught that drinking, smoking, all that is wrong. My parents experimented with it all when they were kids but they left those days behind. I hang out with kids that don't smoke. Don't drink. Don't do drugs. I have never been offered a cigarette in my life. I guess you could say I'm very sheltered. I don't know if I could stand strong if I was to be put in your situation. I don't want to find out.

The clique says, "Christians are often the only Bible the world will ever read". When your next door neighbor sees you getting buzzed, you'll become his excuse to drink. "If the Christians can drink, so can I." Or can he even tell that you're a Christian? How much different do you look from your non-Christian friends? Can they tell that you report to a Holy God?

Now don't get me wrong. I am not perfect. Drinking, smoking etc. is not the only way a person can sin. I'm not a saint, by any means. But these vises are addicting and often public (which can be a stumbling block for those that look up to you).

Do you feel Christ-like when you are drinking? Do you honestly think God would sit on the bar-stool next to you getting drunk? Yes, he assossiated and ate with the publicans and sinners but drunk?

Smoking. It's addicting. It's nasty. Stinky. Unhealthy. There's a story of an older couple that had been married for years. He smoked all his life. She'd never smoked. He was "healthy". She was dying of lung cancer. It's not only unhealthy for you. But those around you.

After having said all that... You have to have your own convictions. Pray and study His Words.

Posted 10/28/2008 12:28 PM by mslavendar - reply

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I know I shouldn't but pizza is just sooo tempting. mmm cheese.

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ew. smoking. personally (depending on the person doing it) i'd say that drinking is a LITTLE better than smoking. but the best thing is to do neither, or do it in moderation? how do you smoke in moderation though....
Posted 10/28/2008 10:40 PM by Chinese_Sait0u Xanga True Member - reply


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